The marketing attractions podcast

Conversations on How Nonprofit Attractions Drive Attendance Through Marketing
Episode #42

5 Ways to Evaluate Influencers for Your Cultural Attraction

Jenny shares a framework for evaluating influencers through the lens of casting a TV commercial.
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Episode #41

Translating Social Media Trends into Marketing

Social media trends move fast. But not all of them matter for your institution. In this episode, we’re joined by Becky Paxton from Garden Media Group.
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Episode #40

Spotlight: Madeline Walden, Social Media Manager at Aquarium of the Pacific

Madeline Walden manages social media for the Aquarium of the Pacific — an audience of more than 3.5 million followers across platforms, including 2.8 million on TikTok.
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Episode #39

Selling More Memberships with Smarter Email Segmentation and Salesforce

This conversation explores what it looks like to level up email. What would a smarter email plan look like? How would it impact member retention, renewals, and long-term revenue?
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Episode #38

Why Hire an Outside PR Firm for Your Cultural Attraction?

We bring in Sharon Dewar, Senior Vice President of Wild Care and Conservation at Public Communications Inc. (PCI), to break down how PR actually works inside zoos, aquariums, gardens, and museums - and when it makes sense to bring in outside help.
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Episode #37

5 Reasons to Pay Micro Influencers

Ticket trades only get you so far. We break down four common approaches to influencer marketing for cultural attractions - media nights, CVB co-ops, big local publishers, and amplified influencer campaigns - and explain why paying creators often drives the best results.
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Episode #36

Non-Traditional Revenue Streams for Cultural Attractions

John Abramson - formerly of the Monterey Bay Aquarium and the upcoming Nat Geo Museum - talks about creative ways cultural attractions can grow earned revenue while staying true to their mission.
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Episode #35

Exploring Dynamic Pricing for Your Institution

Dynamic pricing is gaining momentum across gardens, zoos, aquariums, and museums. But what does it mean for marketing teams, and how does it affect revenue, accessibility, and guest experience?
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Episode #34

The Ideal Google Ad Grant Campaign Structure for Cultural Attractions

The Google Ad Grant offers up to $10,000 a month in free search ads for qualifying nonprofits, including gardens, zoos, aquariums, and museums. But without the right setup, much of that potential goes unused. 
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Episode #33

How Nonprofit Attractions are Utilizing Augmented Reality

We’re joined by Anna Graham, Manager of Marketing Services at Ricoh USA, who shares how AR is being used across the cultural attraction space to enhance exhibits, tell mission-driven stories, and even sell more tickets.
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Episode #32

Spotlight: Shawna Brumfield-Washington, Director of Marketing and Communications at Riverbanks Zoo & Garden

Shawna shares how she and her team created a system and culture for employees across all departments to create and amplify social media content for Riverbanks Zoo and Garden.
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Episode #31

Influencers as Your Tourist Marketing Plan

Jenny makes the argument that most nonprofit attractions don't need a separate, disjointed tourist marketing plan. They need more influencer marketing. 
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Episode #30

10 Tips for Creating UGC-Style Content

We're joined by an expert social media marketer in the family entertainment center space to learn how they quickly and cost-effectively create UGC content for attractions.
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Episode #29

Spotlight: Eric Donovan, Chief Operating Officer at Elmwood Park Zoo

We talk to Eric about how the team turned bold questions into real change—like letting dogs visit the zoo and becoming the first Certified Autism Center zoo in the world.
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Episode #28

Spotlight: Wendy Babineaux, Director of Event Operations at Houston Zoo

We’re joined by Wendy Babineaux from the Houston Zoo to dive into how her team rolled out dynamic pricing—starting cautiously with Zoo Lights in 2019 and gradually expanding across general admission.
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Episode #27

When, Why, and How to Pay Influencers

Most nonprofit attractions are doing some sort of ticket trade in exchange for influencers posting content . Jenny lays out a few reasons why to financially compensate influencers and shares tips on how to do it.
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Episode #26

Building and Strengthening Your Attraction’s Brand with Nancie McDonnell Ruder

Nancie from Noetic Consultants shares her 4 key steps of rebranding nonprofit attractions.
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Episode #25

Spotlight: Corey Romberg, Director of Guest Engagement at The Florida Aquarium

Corey Romberg joins us to share his ideas on enhancing guest engagement through multi-sensory experiences, storytelling, and audience-focused programming.
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Episode #24

Spotlight: Diana Vega, Chief of Operations at Zoo Miami

Diana Vega from Zoo Miami discusses how collaboration and creativity can elevate guest experiences at nonprofit attractions.
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Episode #23

TikTok May Go Away; Influencer Marketing Won’t

Jenny breaks down what nonprofit, cultural attractions would lose if the TikTok ban comes to fruition.
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Episode #22

Spotlight: Briana Hefley-Shepard, Director of Marketing & Communications at the Tulsa Garden Center

Briana and her team won APGA's 2024 Marketing Excellence Award. She shares insights from this award-winning campaign: Derecho Recovery.
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Episode #21

Spotlight: Erin Ward, VP of Marketing at Palm Beach Zoo

Erin Ward from the Palm Beach Zoo joins us to talk marketing. This is a great listen for any marketing director at a zoo, aquarium, garden, or museum.
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Episode #20

Spotlight: David Rosenberg, Executive Vice President, Growth and Experience at SSA Ventures

Attraction veteran, David Rosenberg, shares his thoughts on seamless visitor experiences, networking, and, Gen Z. 
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Episode #19

Influencer Marketing as Paid Advertising

Jenny considers influencer marketing a 'paid advertising' tactic, not just a PR play. She argues that we need to look at influencer marketing the same way as we look at billboards, radio, or any other form of advertising. 
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Episode #18

What Marketing Should Look for in their Next Ticketing System

One of the pain points for marketing teams always seems to be their organization's ticketing system. We brought in Michelle Paul from BackOffice Thinking to get her thoughts on how marketing can get the most out of their ticketing system. 
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Episode #17

Spotlight: Scott McPherson, Director of Sales and Marketing at Royal Botanical Gardens

Scott McPherson joins us to talk about creating and marketing events to bring new, diverse audiences to the garden. We dive into how and why he uses influencer marketing in his advertising strategy.
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Episode #16

10 Questions About Google Ad Grants for Nonprofit Attractions

Google wants to give every non-profit attraction $10,000/month in free advertising. But, some zoos, aquariums, museums, and gardens don't maximize this program…or…don't utilize it all.
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Episode #15

Should Your Nonprofit Attraction Invest in an Online Map?

Recently one of Jenny's marketing clients - a large botanical garden - invested in creating an online map. So, we asked Anna Busby from Engage by Cell to help us understand the pros and cons of creating an online map for nonprofit attractions. 
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Episode #14

Spotlight: Tim Morrow, President and CEO of San Antonio Zoo

Tim Morrow shares his perspective on how ticket revenue can help spread the mission for nonprofit attractions. He aims to make San Antonio Zoo not just the top zoo in Texas but the top attraction in the state.
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Episode #13

How Nonprofit Attractions Can Work With Social Media Influencers

We talk with ATL Bucket List to learn some best practices on how influencers want to work with nonprofit attractions. We talk about what makes a good brief for a creator, sharing your attraction's 'hidden gems,' and whitelisting creator content for ads.
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Episode #12

How Events Drive Visitation with Jack Stevenson from Cedar Fair Entertainment Company

Jack Stevenson from Cedar Fair Entertainment has produced 50+ events for theme parks. Hear Jack's approach to increasing attendance with events.
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Episode #11

4 Ideas for Holiday 2024

Many non-profit attractions saw attendance increase in 2023. Jenny shares strategies and ideas to help zoos, aquariums, gardens and museums get the most our of their 2024 holiday events. We talk TV, programmatic OOH, Pinterest and Influencer Marketing.
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Episode #10

Spotlight: Jim Bartoo, Director of Marketing and Public Relations at the Nashville Zoo

Jim Bartoo, Director of Marketing and PR at the Nashville Zoo, joins us to talk marketing. Hear Jim's approach to earned media and expanding outside his local market.
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Episode #9

Guest Experience, Employee Retention, and Marketing with Josh Liebman and Matt Heller

We bring in two attraction veterans to discuss what the marketing team needs to know from the guest experience and human resources team. It's a great reminder to build alignment within these roles.
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Episode #8

Establishing Buying Guidelines for Your Media Plan

Crafting a media plan is a little like building a house. The architect is like the media planner. Their job is to create plans that are clear, detailed and easy to follow. Just like an architect can't say "build a roof" a media planner can't just say "run ads on connected TV."
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Episode #7

4 Rules Nonprofit Attractions Should Follow When Planning Their Ad Budgets

Jenny dives into her: "Media Planning Guide for Nonprofit Attractions." It outlines 4 rules to help marketers plan their annual paid media budgets. 
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Episode #6

Expanding Your Social Media Ads Beyond Meta and TikTok

Jenny gives examples and ideas on when and why zoos, aquariums, museums and gardens run ads on social media platforms other than Facebook, Instagram and TikTok. 
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Episode #5

Using a DSP to Help Plan Your Attraction’s Digital Marketing

We talk with a DSP rep to get the most up-to-date approaches on how to use a DSP to plan your next programmatic ad campaign.
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Episode #4

Why Your Attraction Should Spend More on Paid Social

Most nonprofit attractions aren't allocating enough of their marketing budget to paid social. Paid social now rivals television in terms of reach and impact. Yet, we see TV budgets increase while paid social budgets stay flat.
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Episode #3

Bootstrapping Your Attraction’s Influencer Marketing

Jenny shares her 5 steps to launch - or double-down on an existing - social media influencer campaign. Most non-profit attractions are doing some sort of influencer marketing now. We suggest doing more.
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Episode #2

Why Is Our Attraction Still Buying Ads on Broadcast TV?

Should zoos, aquariums, museums and gardens move their TV advertising dollars away from broadcast TV and into streaming TV? Jenny makes the case for keeping broadcast television in your marketing plan. She also dives into best practices on planning and buying streaming TV (OTT, CTV).
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Episode #1

In-Housing Your Attraction’s Media Planning and Buying

Jenny shares how she would build an in-house media buying team at a zoo, aquarium, museum or garden. She takes on the challenge from the perspective of a 15-year ad agency pro.
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